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		<title>By: Baraka</title>
		<link>http://othermatters.org/2008/06/24/testing-convert/#comment-16315</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Salaams,

Maji: Ameen to your duas!

Manu: Of course. Which is why I discussed their words &amp; actions, not hearts.

Warmly,
Baraka]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salaams,</p>
<p>Maji: Ameen to your duas!</p>
<p>Manu: Of course. Which is why I discussed their words &amp; actions, not hearts.</p>
<p>Warmly,<br />
Baraka</p>
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		<title>By: manu</title>
		<link>http://othermatters.org/2008/06/24/testing-convert/#comment-16309</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ASA,

   Remember no one truely knows what is in ones heart except Allah

cheers :)
Friend]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ASA,</p>
<p>   Remember no one truely knows what is in ones heart except Allah</p>
<p>cheers :)<br />
Friend</p>
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		<title>By: maji6</title>
		<link>http://othermatters.org/2008/06/24/testing-convert/#comment-16194</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its sad but the things is subconciously peple will always approach him with caution not through any fault of his but yours really as they will think &quot;Why did he flirt with our Girl?&quot;. Maybe he didn&#039;t and maybe there was none but there will always be that taboo. 

Outside of your family the general population will accept him Inshallah but again its upto all of us as to how much of a muslim we become. Are we a said the shadah muslim or are we a 3 salaah a day muslim, a 5 salah a day muslim or All salaah and follow the sunnah muslim? ete. We are all muslims but how much of a beleiver are we? In the end respect and honour are in the hands of ALlah inshallah the more we become firm and estblished in our religions regardless of whether  we are convert or born in to it, Inshallah Allah will raise our status in both worlds and grant us a life of peace in both worlds.

Salaams. May Allah make Basils way on ISlam Easy. (Ameen)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its sad but the things is subconciously peple will always approach him with caution not through any fault of his but yours really as they will think &#8220;Why did he flirt with our Girl?&#8221;. Maybe he didn&#8217;t and maybe there was none but there will always be that taboo. </p>
<p>Outside of your family the general population will accept him Inshallah but again its upto all of us as to how much of a muslim we become. Are we a said the shadah muslim or are we a 3 salaah a day muslim, a 5 salah a day muslim or All salaah and follow the sunnah muslim? ete. We are all muslims but how much of a beleiver are we? In the end respect and honour are in the hands of ALlah inshallah the more we become firm and estblished in our religions regardless of whether  we are convert or born in to it, Inshallah Allah will raise our status in both worlds and grant us a life of peace in both worlds.</p>
<p>Salaams. May Allah make Basils way on ISlam Easy. (Ameen)</p>
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		<title>By: Baraka</title>
		<link>http://othermatters.org/2008/06/24/testing-convert/#comment-16184</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Salaam and jazak Allah khair for sharing your perspectives and stories!

&lt;b&gt;EM&lt;/b&gt;: It&#039;s hard to predict what kind of affect ingrained community suspicion will have on individual converts. Everyone reacts differently. As you can see by Basil&#039;s comment, it slips off him like water meeting a duck. 

But, for others it is truly hurtful and the idea of not being accepted and welcomed may lead, with other factors, to them leaving Islam. 

This attitude toward converts is not limited to Islam - I&#039;ve read that Jewish converts are often received with suspicion too although they require intensive study before conversion and rabbinical teaching frowns upon the convert ever being reminded of the fact that they are a convert. 

But rules are one thing, and people&#039;s behavior another.

Giving the benefit of the doubt and supporting converts in their sincerity and their journey is a good place to start for everyone involved.

&lt;b&gt;Sabiwabi&lt;/b&gt;: While the conversion of convenience was not something I wanted and while it does not always work for others, I have seen a few cases where the spouse who converted eventually developed a real affection and sincere practice of Islam. 

I&#039;m glad that things worked out well for you and your husband, mash&#039;Allah! :)

&lt;b&gt;Sumaiya&lt;/b&gt;: May Allah make it easy for you! It can be hard to live with the anxiety before one&#039;s potential mate decides to take the shahada.

I agree, God chooses to lead us to Him as He wills: Sometimes through love for a Muslim (whether a spouse or by reading about the Prophet, peace and blessings upon him), and in many other ways. 

I can only say that my relationship with Basil has brought me closer to Allah than I ever imagined I would be before marriage. Alhamdolillah. 

As Muslims we have to learn to be more embracing of the many and sincere ways that people find Islam and God in their hearts. 

He is vaster than we imagine.

Warmly,
Baraka]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salaam and jazak Allah khair for sharing your perspectives and stories!</p>
<p><b>EM</b>: It&#8217;s hard to predict what kind of affect ingrained community suspicion will have on individual converts. Everyone reacts differently. As you can see by Basil&#8217;s comment, it slips off him like water meeting a duck. </p>
<p>But, for others it is truly hurtful and the idea of not being accepted and welcomed may lead, with other factors, to them leaving Islam. </p>
<p>This attitude toward converts is not limited to Islam &#8211; I&#8217;ve read that Jewish converts are often received with suspicion too although they require intensive study before conversion and rabbinical teaching frowns upon the convert ever being reminded of the fact that they are a convert. </p>
<p>But rules are one thing, and people&#8217;s behavior another.</p>
<p>Giving the benefit of the doubt and supporting converts in their sincerity and their journey is a good place to start for everyone involved.</p>
<p><b>Sabiwabi</b>: While the conversion of convenience was not something I wanted and while it does not always work for others, I have seen a few cases where the spouse who converted eventually developed a real affection and sincere practice of Islam. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that things worked out well for you and your husband, mash&#8217;Allah! :)</p>
<p><b>Sumaiya</b>: May Allah make it easy for you! It can be hard to live with the anxiety before one&#8217;s potential mate decides to take the shahada.</p>
<p>I agree, God chooses to lead us to Him as He wills: Sometimes through love for a Muslim (whether a spouse or by reading about the Prophet, peace and blessings upon him), and in many other ways. </p>
<p>I can only say that my relationship with Basil has brought me closer to Allah than I ever imagined I would be before marriage. Alhamdolillah. </p>
<p>As Muslims we have to learn to be more embracing of the many and sincere ways that people find Islam and God in their hearts. </p>
<p>He is vaster than we imagine.</p>
<p>Warmly,<br />
Baraka</p>
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		<title>By: sumaiya</title>
		<link>http://othermatters.org/2008/06/24/testing-convert/#comment-16182</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am in love with a person who has learnt a lot of Islam and is on the path to converting. I dont think that if it were&#039;nt for me in his life, he would ever think of making Islam his way of life.. atleast this early, he&#039;s 24. 
 But I have often heard that people who Allah gives the hidayat may convert initially for whatever reason, for love, for God or even by watching another muslim. Its not the reason but the fact that a person has accepted Islam as their faith and has sworn to walk on that path forever and does so, is what matters. 
 My sister-in-law converted for her love, today she is more a muslim than anyone in my family. I taught her to pray, today i miss more prayers than her. 
 Baraka i honestly hope my man can handle the kind of hostility he will face inevitably, n he hope he handles it with his faith in Allah and Islam.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in love with a person who has learnt a lot of Islam and is on the path to converting. I dont think that if it were&#8217;nt for me in his life, he would ever think of making Islam his way of life.. atleast this early, he&#8217;s 24.<br />
 But I have often heard that people who Allah gives the hidayat may convert initially for whatever reason, for love, for God or even by watching another muslim. Its not the reason but the fact that a person has accepted Islam as their faith and has sworn to walk on that path forever and does so, is what matters.<br />
 My sister-in-law converted for her love, today she is more a muslim than anyone in my family. I taught her to pray, today i miss more prayers than her.<br />
 Baraka i honestly hope my man can handle the kind of hostility he will face inevitably, n he hope he handles it with his faith in Allah and Islam.</p>
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		<title>By: sabiwabi</title>
		<link>http://othermatters.org/2008/06/24/testing-convert/#comment-16023</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was already with my husband for 2 years before we converted and we pretty much converted at the same time (him a week before me).  We converted, then split up for a few months, got our own places, etc....  We wanted some time to absorb Islam before we married.

Converting for the sake of a marriage, I believe, is something that is doomed to fail.  Totally opposed to it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was already with my husband for 2 years before we converted and we pretty much converted at the same time (him a week before me).  We converted, then split up for a few months, got our own places, etc&#8230;.  We wanted some time to absorb Islam before we married.</p>
<p>Converting for the sake of a marriage, I believe, is something that is doomed to fail.  Totally opposed to it.</p>
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		<title>By: electromagnetic</title>
		<link>http://othermatters.org/2008/06/24/testing-convert/#comment-16017</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve known several friends over the years who converted and then married women of Indian or Arab heritage. In each of the cases, suspicions about their sincerity seemed to have more to do with latent racism than anything else. It was disgusting.

Even more startling was a young man of Indian heritage who fell in love and converted to Islam from Christianity in highschool, who travelled in the Middle East and studied Islam and waited for years before he was able to marry the young woman of Indian heritage he had fallen in love with in highschool. Who faced much discrimination from other Muslims about his conversion. YET, when he and I encountered a young man non-Muslim man of Caribbean heritage who wanted to learn more about Islam and was, at the time, in love with a young Muslim woman, my brother privately expressed great concern to me about this young Caribbean man&#039;s intentions being insincere--that he was only interested in converting to marry.

After everything he went through--for him to behave like that with this other man--I didn&#039;t know what to make of it! On the one hand, he might have been right since the young Caribbean man disappeared after speaking with us about converting a few times. It may have been, however, that he disappeared after he saw how hostile and suspicious my brother&#039;s treatment of him was...I don&#039;t know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve known several friends over the years who converted and then married women of Indian or Arab heritage. In each of the cases, suspicions about their sincerity seemed to have more to do with latent racism than anything else. It was disgusting.</p>
<p>Even more startling was a young man of Indian heritage who fell in love and converted to Islam from Christianity in highschool, who travelled in the Middle East and studied Islam and waited for years before he was able to marry the young woman of Indian heritage he had fallen in love with in highschool. Who faced much discrimination from other Muslims about his conversion. YET, when he and I encountered a young man non-Muslim man of Caribbean heritage who wanted to learn more about Islam and was, at the time, in love with a young Muslim woman, my brother privately expressed great concern to me about this young Caribbean man&#8217;s intentions being insincere&#8211;that he was only interested in converting to marry.</p>
<p>After everything he went through&#8211;for him to behave like that with this other man&#8211;I didn&#8217;t know what to make of it! On the one hand, he might have been right since the young Caribbean man disappeared after speaking with us about converting a few times. It may have been, however, that he disappeared after he saw how hostile and suspicious my brother&#8217;s treatment of him was&#8230;I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Basil</title>
		<link>http://othermatters.org/2008/06/24/testing-convert/#comment-16014</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Mezba&lt;/b&gt;: No, I don&#039;t feel as strongly about this as Baraka.  Personally, I find it amusing rather than insulting.  I know that some people might challenge my sincerity, but that&#039;s their problem and not mine to rebuke.  I assume no responsibility for the assumptions or subtle accusations of others.  I have enough to worry about regarding how I am perceived in the eyes of God.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Mezba</b>: No, I don&#8217;t feel as strongly about this as Baraka.  Personally, I find it amusing rather than insulting.  I know that some people might challenge my sincerity, but that&#8217;s their problem and not mine to rebuke.  I assume no responsibility for the assumptions or subtle accusations of others.  I have enough to worry about regarding how I am perceived in the eyes of God.</p>
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		<title>By: Baraka</title>
		<link>http://othermatters.org/2008/06/24/testing-convert/#comment-16012</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 07:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Salaams dear friends and thank you for your comments!

&lt;b&gt;Yahya&lt;/b&gt;: Glad there&#039;s someone out there who understands. May we have patience with the questioners, insh&#039;Allah!

&lt;b&gt;Dawood&lt;/b&gt;: I&#039;m glad to hear that your MiL has realized how wrong her initial impressions were. Alhamdolillah, in most cases where people got to know Basil they too rectified any initial negative actions or statements they may have done/said.

&lt;b&gt;Tim&lt;/b&gt;: I&#039;m glad that most of your local Muslim community is welcoming. Let&#039;s hope the vocal minority sorts themselves out too, insh&#039;Allah!

&lt;b&gt;Max&lt;/b&gt;: &lt;i&gt;I think deep down a lot of cultural/born muslims have a dirty secret: they’re not convinced by all the hype that Islam is the most beautiful religion in the world…&lt;/i&gt;

Bang on in your usual succinct manner MM! 

Basil has definitely been met with a lot of incredulity that he would voluntarily chose a &quot;restrictive&quot; religion in such a permissive society and has often been told by born Muslims that they don&#039;t think they would have done the same given the choice. 

That says a lot for the type of Islam they are being exposed to, as well as how difficult it can be when everything in religion seems to be &quot;No&quot; and everything in society seems to be &quot;YES, please!&quot;

But, as he tells born Muslims who tell him that it&#039;s incredible that he chose Islam, &quot;You chose Islam too. We each do, every day.&quot;

In Islam we don&#039;t have a single ritual of actively choosing one&#039;s faith like a communion or bat mitzvah. Perhaps that&#039;s one of the reasons why our declaration of faith is woven into our prayers, so that we can consciously choose it on a daily basis. 

&lt;b&gt;Mezba&lt;/b&gt;: Basil has many different feelings about it, but always handles the questioner with greater patience and grace than I do. 

As someone who speaks Urdu where he does not, I understand the implied rebukes or judgments of certain questions and so can be somewhat protective or defensive of him. 

Generally though, I step back to let him handle situations as he wishes, and if he has time perhaps he will chime in here too as he did on the original post.

&lt;b&gt;AMM&lt;/b&gt;: It&#039;s a major issue in the community right now, especially as more women begin looking beyond Muslim circles for spouses. 

&lt;b&gt;Darvish&lt;/b&gt;: Alhamdolillah and thank you dear brother Irving! You of all people understand that we are called to the Beloved in many different ways, some through marriage, some through reflection, some through a teacher, and many through a combination of factors. He calls us to Him as He wills.

&lt;b&gt;Willow&lt;/b&gt;: You&#039;re welcome - thanks for reading/commenting!

Warmly,
Baraka]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salaams dear friends and thank you for your comments!</p>
<p><b>Yahya</b>: Glad there&#8217;s someone out there who understands. May we have patience with the questioners, insh&#8217;Allah!</p>
<p><b>Dawood</b>: I&#8217;m glad to hear that your MiL has realized how wrong her initial impressions were. Alhamdolillah, in most cases where people got to know Basil they too rectified any initial negative actions or statements they may have done/said.</p>
<p><b>Tim</b>: I&#8217;m glad that most of your local Muslim community is welcoming. Let&#8217;s hope the vocal minority sorts themselves out too, insh&#8217;Allah!</p>
<p><b>Max</b>: <i>I think deep down a lot of cultural/born muslims have a dirty secret: they’re not convinced by all the hype that Islam is the most beautiful religion in the world…</i></p>
<p>Bang on in your usual succinct manner MM! </p>
<p>Basil has definitely been met with a lot of incredulity that he would voluntarily chose a &#8220;restrictive&#8221; religion in such a permissive society and has often been told by born Muslims that they don&#8217;t think they would have done the same given the choice. </p>
<p>That says a lot for the type of Islam they are being exposed to, as well as how difficult it can be when everything in religion seems to be &#8220;No&#8221; and everything in society seems to be &#8220;YES, please!&#8221;</p>
<p>But, as he tells born Muslims who tell him that it&#8217;s incredible that he chose Islam, &#8220;You chose Islam too. We each do, every day.&#8221;</p>
<p>In Islam we don&#8217;t have a single ritual of actively choosing one&#8217;s faith like a communion or bat mitzvah. Perhaps that&#8217;s one of the reasons why our declaration of faith is woven into our prayers, so that we can consciously choose it on a daily basis. </p>
<p><b>Mezba</b>: Basil has many different feelings about it, but always handles the questioner with greater patience and grace than I do. </p>
<p>As someone who speaks Urdu where he does not, I understand the implied rebukes or judgments of certain questions and so can be somewhat protective or defensive of him. </p>
<p>Generally though, I step back to let him handle situations as he wishes, and if he has time perhaps he will chime in here too as he did on the original post.</p>
<p><b>AMM</b>: It&#8217;s a major issue in the community right now, especially as more women begin looking beyond Muslim circles for spouses. </p>
<p><b>Darvish</b>: Alhamdolillah and thank you dear brother Irving! You of all people understand that we are called to the Beloved in many different ways, some through marriage, some through reflection, some through a teacher, and many through a combination of factors. He calls us to Him as He wills.</p>
<p><b>Willow</b>: You&#8217;re welcome &#8211; thanks for reading/commenting!</p>
<p>Warmly,<br />
Baraka</p>
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		<title>By: Willow</title>
		<link>http://othermatters.org/2008/06/24/testing-convert/#comment-16009</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this, Baraka! A lovely post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this, Baraka! A lovely post.</p>
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